Sturgeon predicts Scottish independence and united Ireland in UK âshake-upâ
Nicola Sturgeon has predicted Scotland will become independent as part of a âwider shake-upâ of UK governance, including Irish reunification.
The former first minister also suggested further devolution for Wales in the coming years as part of a âvery healthy realignment of how the nations of the British Isles are governed and co-operate togetherâ.
Speaking to BBC Scotland News to mark the 10-year anniversary of the 2014 independence referendum, the ex-SNP leader said she believed a Yes victory was âwithin graspâ on the eve of the vote.
Former Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson also claimed Sturgeon lost her opportunity to secure a second referendum by making her call âso fast, so hard and so earlyâ after the 2016 Brexit vote.
Although the Yes side lost the referendum, the SNP enjoyed unprecedented electoral success in the decade since.
But it has also been rocked by the loss of 39 seats in Julyâs general election, a public fallout between Sturgeon and Salmond and an ongoing police investigation into party finances.
Asked about her future hopes for independence, Sturgeon said: âI believe that, perhaps as part of a wider shake-up of UK governance, the reunification of Ireland, perhaps, more autonomy in Wales, that I think we will see Scotland become an independent country.
âIâll certainly campaign and advocate for that for as long as Iâve got breath in my body.â
She declined to predict whether she thought Irish reunification or Scottish independence would come first, adding: âItâs not a matter for me, obviously, just as Scottish independence is not a matter for people in Ireland. But I do think that will happen.â
In May 2022, 10 months before she stepped down as first minister, Sturgeon met Sinn FĂ©in vice president Michelle OâNeill at her official Bute House residence in Edinburgh to discuss Brexit.
Sturgeon said at the time that the departure from the EU had âbrought to the fore some very fundamental questionsâ over governance in the UK.
OâNeill became Northern Irelandâs first nationalist first minister in February, fuelling debate about the possibility of a border poll.
The 1998 Good Friday Agreement says that âthe people on the islandâ should be able to exercise âtheir right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Irelandâ, subject to the principle of consent in Northern Ireland.
The Northern Ireland Act 1998 states that âif at any time it appears likelyâ that a majority of those voting in a border poll would âexpress a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Irelandâ, the secretary of state will consent to a border poll.
It is not clear exactly how this process would come about.
Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer said last year that an Irish unity referendum was ânot even on the horizonâ.
Speaking to BBC Scotland News, Sturgeon described herself as a natural pessimist but said that was not the case come polling day, 18 September 2014.
âUnusually for me, in the final days, I was really optimistic,â she told BBC Scotland News.
âI definitely felt that victory was within grasp.â
The then deputy first minister had a leading role in the Yes campaign and spent the summer touring around Scotland.
She returned to her home constituency of Glasgow Southside in the days before the referendum.
âThe mood on the streets of Glasgow gave me perhaps a bit of an overly optimistic view of how the campaign was going right across the country,â Ms Sturgeon said.
The No side ultimately won by 55.3% to 44.7%.
Sturgeon described the campaign as the âbest of times and the worst of timesâ.
âWhat I remember most about the campaign was just the energy, the sense of political awakening and in engagement that seemed to grip Scotland,â she said.
Debate âdisasterâ
Asked about any regrets, Sturgeon said she questioned whether the Yes campaign could have done some things differently.
She cited a united front from Westminster parties in opposition to proposals for a currency union, and described as a âdisasterâ the first TV debate between her predecessor Alex Salmond and Better Together chairman Alistair Darling
Darling was thought to have got the better of that exchange in early August 2014 after pressing Salmond on a plan B on currency plans.
Ms Sturgeon added: âBecause these things didnât lead to a haemorrhaging of Yes support, I think we comforted ourselves that they hadnât done any real harm.
âLooking back, I think these were moments that probably slowed down what was quite a steady shift of opinion from soft No undecided voters to the Yes side.â
Later in August, Salmond was widely considered to have outperformed his opponent in the second televised debate.
Two years after the independence referendum, the UK voted to leave the EU â despite Scotland voting in favour of Remain by 62% to 38%.
The SNPâs subsequent demands for a second referendum were thwarted by Westminster, leading to criticism from within the Yes movement of Sturgeonâs leadership.
The ex-SNP leader admitted she âdidnât get everything right, far from itâ.
She said she âferventlyâ wished the SNP had made further progress on independence in the past decade.
âWestminster democracy denialâ
Sturgeon insisted while it may not feel like the Yes campaign was âmotoring forwardâ, levels of support were stable, and especially high among young people.
The former first minister added: âI came up against a brick wall of Westminster democracy denial in refusing the right of the Scottish people to choose their own future.
âDo I wish I had found a way around that? Yes, but that was the situation I faced.â
âHad that right to choose been secured, I believe Scotland would have voted Yes.â
Prof Sir John Curtice, president of the British Polling Council, told BBC Scotland News that support for independence had stabilised at just under 50%, and had been unaffected by the SNPâs recent issues.
According to YouGov polling published on Tuesday, almost one in four (39%) of 16 to 24-year-old respondents said they would back Yes, with three in 10 (31%) in favour of No.
Yes was also more popular than No among 25 to 49-year-olds, although there was a majority for the union in older age groups.
In the immediate aftermath, Sturgeon declared a fresh ballot on independence was âhighly likelyâ â prompting her then deputy, John Swinney, to raise concerns about that strategy.
Former Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson, who campaigned for Better Together a decade ago, said Sturgeon âprobablyâ had an opportunity to secure a second independence referendum following the Brexit vote.
âHer appetite to go so fast, so hard and so early took that opportunity away from her,â she told BBC Scotland News.
She suggested Sturgeon should have âput party politics asideâ and tried to work with the UK government to âsalvageâ what it could from Brexit.
âAnd then maybe six months down the line said, you know what I canât work with these people, Scotland has another opportunity, it has another choice, I think things could have been materially different,â Davidson said.
âOverwhelmingly positive legacyâ
The former Tory leader said that while she would have argued against a second referendum, it would have been âincredibly hardâ if Sturgeon adopted a different approach.
Davidson claimed people who may have supported Sturgeonâs call for another vote were âturned off by the idea that she wanted to use Brexit to immediately jump to this other thingâ.
Swinney, who succeeded Humza Yousaf as first minister in May, will address independence campaigners in Edinburgh to mark the anniversary of the referendum.
He is expected to say that while he was âdevastatedâ by the result, he is âin no doubtâ the referendum left âan overwhelmingly positive legacyâ on Scotland.