âThe sixth great extinction is happeningâ, conservation expert warns
With her signature shawl draped over her shoulders and silver hair pulled back from her face, Jane Goodall exudes serenity â even over our slightly blurry video call.
In a Vienna hotel room, a press team and a small group of filmmakers, who are documenting her latest speaking tour, fuss around her.
The famous primatologist and conservationist settles into a high-backed chair that dwarfs her slender frame.
On my screen I can see that behind her, on a shelf, is her toy monkey, Mr H.
The toy was given to her nearly 30 years ago by a friend and has travelled the world with her. Dr Goodall is now 90 years of age, and she and Mr H are still travelling.
âI am a little bit exhausted,â she admits. âIâve come here from Paris. And after here I go to Berlin, then Geneva. Iâm on this tour talking about the danger to the environment and some of the remedies,â she says.
âThe sixth great extinction is happening nowâ
One of the remedies she wants to talk about today is a tree-planting and habitat restoration mission that her eponymous foundation and non-profit technology company, Ecosia, are carrying out in Uganda. Over the past five years, with the help of local communities and smallholder farmers, the organisations have planted nearly two million trees.
âWeâre in the midst of the sixth great extinction,â Dr Goodall tells me during our interview for BBC Radio 4âs Inside Science. âThe more we can do to restore nature and protect existing forests, the better.â
The primary aim of this project is to restore the threatened habitat of Ugandaâs 5,000 chimpanzees. Dr Goodall has studied and campaigned to protect the primates for decades. But the activist also wants to highlight the threat that deforestation poses to our climate.
âTrees have to grow to a certain size before they can really do their work,â she says. âBut all this [tree-planting] is helping to absorb carbon dioxide.â
âWindow of time to save climate is closingâ
This week, world leaders have gathered in Baku, Azerbaijan, for COP29 â the latest round of UN climate talks.
And Dr Goodall says taking action to slow down the warming of our planet is more urgent than ever.
âWe still have a window of time to start slowing down climate change and loss of biodiversity,â Dr Goodall says. âBut itâs a window thatâs closing.â
Destruction of forests, and other wild places, she points out, is intrinsically linked to the climate crisis.
âSo much has changed in my lifetime,â she says, recalling that in the forests of Tanzania where she began studying chimps more than 60 years ago, âyou used to be able to set your calendar by the timing of the two rainy seasonsâ.
âNow, sometimes it rains in the dry season, and sometimes itâs dry in the wet season. It means the trees are fruiting at the wrong time, which upsets the chimpanzees, and also the insects and the birds.â
Over the decades that she has studied and campaigned to protect the habitat of wild chimpanzees, she says she has seen the destruction of forests across Africa: âAnd Iâve seen the decrease in chimpanzee numbers.
âIf we donât get together and impose tough regulations on what people are able to do to the environment â if we donât rapidly move away from fossil fuel, if we donât put a stop to industrial farming, thatâs destroying the environment and killing the soil, having a devastating effect on biodiversity â the future ultimately is doomed.â
âHe looked into my eyes and squeezed my fingersâ
Hearing her speak in this way gives me a glimpse of a toughness that belies her well-spoken, gentle demeanour. When Jane Goodall began observing and studying chimpanzees in Gombe Stream National Park in Tanzania, she was a trailblazer. Her research, now considered groundbreaking, was controversial.
She was the first person to witness and document chimpanzees making and using tools â the primates prepared sticks to fish for termites. Prior to her observations, that was a trait that was thought to be uniquely human.
She revealed that the animals form strong family bonds â and even that they engage in warfare over territory.
But her approach â associating so closely with the animals she studied, naming them and even referring to them as âmy friendsâ was scoffed at by some (mostly male) scientists.
Her supervisor and mentor, Professor Louis Leakey, though, saw the value in her technique: âHe wanted somebody whose mind wasnât messed up by the reductionist attitude of science to animals,â Dr Goodall explains.
âYou donât have a dog, a cat, a rabbit, a horse and not give them a name. Itâs the same as when I studied squirrels in my garden as a little girl â they all had names.â
Her methods â and her sense of closeness to the primates she has dedicated her life to â have given her a unique perspective.
She tells me about a âwonderful momentâ with a chimpanzee she named David Greybeard, the male chimp who she first witnessed making and using tools to catch termites. âHe was the first to lose his fear of me,â she recalls.
âI sat down near him and, lying on the ground, was the ripe red fruit of an oil palm. I held it out towards him and he turned his head away. Then I put my hand closer and he turned and looked into my eyes, reached out and very gently squeezed my fingers.
âThat is how chimpanzees reassure each other. We understood each other perfectly â with a gestural language that obviously predates human speech.â
âWe need to get tougherâ
Dr Goodallâs career has often been challenging. She has written about the early years of her work for Professor Leakey, who was a renowned scientist, and who had enormous influence over her career. He repeatedly declared his love for her, putting pressure on her in a way that, today, might be viewed as sexual harassment.
But she spurned his advances and kept her focus on her work and her beloved chimpanzees. Now, having turned 90 this year, she does not appear to be slowing down.
So what keeps Dr Goodall going? On this she is emphatic â charmingly affronted by the question: âSurely people want a future for their children. If they do, we have to get tougher about [environmental] legislation.
âWe donât have much time left to start helping the environment. Weâve done so much to destroy it.â