Two-tier policing claims are ânonsenseâ, MPs told
A police chief has branded claims of two-tier policing ânonsenseâ as he insisted his officers had been âentirely fairâ in the way they responded to the summer riots.
Cleveland Policeâs chief constable Mark Webster told MPs âpeople donât want to listen to the factsâ when asked about the debate, which erupted amid accusations some were getting special treatment from police because of their background.
Violent disorder swept parts of England in July and August in the wake of the Southport stabbings, fuelled by social media misinformation.
Answering the Home Affairs Select Committee, Mr Webster said the ânarrativeâ around two-tier policing was âreally unhelpfulâ, adding: âI go so far as to say sometimes itâs nonsense, and it does tend to undermine.â
He continued: âWithout fear or favour if you were involved in criminality, you were arrested, or you will be arrested.â
He insisted his force was âvery fairâ and stressed that people were arrested when there was âclear evidenceâ they were suspected of committing violent disorder or other crimes.
People âdonât necessarily want to listen to the facts, and if it doesnât conform with the view that you want to put across and you want to accuse police of two-tier policing, it does have a really negative effect on my officersâ, Mr Webster told the committee.
âChallenged communitiesâ
Earlier in the session, Mr Webster said forces did not have the âcapability to police the entirety of social mediaâ, adding: âClearly these entities are far, far bigger than anything policing has got to offer.â
Asked what was behind the riots, Mr Webster said there were âcommon factorsâ among the areas where unrest occurred, adding: âMany of them are challenged communities. The social fabric is quite difficult across many of them and I think that probably makes them fairly fertile to be either whipped up or for violence, maybe out of just wanting criminality, boredom, any number of different issues.â
He cited examples of people being sentenced who had âbeen out, theyâd had too much to drink, theyâd walk past and thought, why not?â
âThatâs not a representative sample, but I think much of that desperation, this lack of hope, lack of state, nothing to lose, I think much of that certainly impacted on the riots and the disorder that took place in Cleveland,â he added.
The cost to Cleveland Police in tracking down those who took part in unrest in Middlesbrough and Hartlepool on Teesside has reached more than ÂŁ660,000.
Staffordshire Police chief constable Chris Noble told the MPs it did not âmake any sense for policing at all to show favouritism whenever weâre built on respect for the rule of the lawâ.
He added: âIf two-tier policing is bringing people swiftly to justice, Iâm not quite sure many people would argue with that.â
The allegations were ânot nice to hear, but weâve got relatively thick skinâ, he said.
Judi Heaton, chief constable of Humberside Police, told the committee how vital a quickly functioning justice system was to ânip this [the riots] in the budâ, adding: âWe couldnât have a situation where, nationally, we were facing disorder like this, day in, day out, week in, week out.
âSo actually, swift justice happening and being seen to happen was really important.â
Ms Heaton, said her force had initially taken a âlow-key approachâ to policing the disorder but had ânever seen anything like itâ when violence and looting broke out in Hull.
Jake Richards MP told Ms Heaton he was aware officers had âraised a number of issuesâ including âmembers of the Chief Officer Group not being in the region in the days leading to and during the riotsâ.
In response, the chief constable insisted they âwere aroundâ and had worked âcontinuouslyâ.
Ms Heaton also told the committee she was ânot awareâ of officers, who had been injured during the disorder, being taken to hospital in taxis or personal vehicles.
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